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Finding old spellings in French and redirecting them to modern Turkish spellingsDüzenle

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Hi again! A project I am doing is trying to archive pages of old Turkish magazines on an archive site. In the meantime I found some pages that show French spellings for Turkish cities. I figured out some but not all

If you know any Turkish people who know French, is it OK if I give them some place names I can't figure out so they can see which ones match the old names?

Thanks, WhisperToMe (mesaj) 00.40, 13 Mart 2021 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe; Hi! I just posted to telegram group to find help about this. I'll let you know. --Başak (mesaj) 06.14, 13 Mart 2021 (UTC)
Thank you! If you like I can give a list of places I haven't yet figured out WhisperToMe (mesaj) 06.26, 13 Mart 2021 (UTC)
@WhisperToMe Sure. Please give me the list. I have shared the address of this thread in the group--Başak (mesaj) 06.48, 13 Mart 2021 (UTC).
Thanks again! The list: Ak-Tchaï, Alplou, Anbardjik, Ayazma, Buyuk-Liman, Daridja, Eginlik, Fadsa, Gumuchlu hamidié, Ilidja, Karadja-Bey, Kara-Mursel, Kapou-Dagh, Katirli, Kefken, Kourbali, Kourchouunlou, Moumhané, Off, Pacha-Liman (A "Pashaliman" seems to be a place in Albania?), Papazlik, Techemenli, Tirilia, Uniah, Yalouvo, Younda, Zongouldak
Also I think "Ada-Pazar" is Adapazarı, "Tchemenli" is Çəmənli, "Déirmén-Déré" is Değirmendere, "B. Tchékmedjé" is Büyükçekmece, "Kœuydjéoiz" is Köyceğiz, "Guékli" is Geyikli "Guémlik" is Gemlik, and "Hamidié" is Al-Hamidiyah (now in Syria)
WhisperToMe (mesaj) 07.35, 13 Mart 2021 (UTC)
@WhisperToMe I am not an expert but think it is correct that "Ada-Pazar" is Adapazarı, "Tchemenli" is Çəmənli, "Déirmén-Déré" is Değirmendere, "B. Tchékmedjé" is Büyükçekmece, "Kœuydjéoiz" is Köyceğiz (probably this one), "Guékli" is Geyikli, "Guémlik" is Gemlik; but "'Hamidié" is not necessarily Al-Hamidiyah (now in Syria). This name refers to places named afer Sultan Abdülhamid, and many places in the Ottoman empire were named as Hamidié ("Hamidiye" in Turkish), especially under the long reign of II. Abdülhamid. Please see Hamidiye.

Here are my answers for some others (please note that most of the links goes to Disambiguation pages because there are many different places under the same name):

Ak-Tchaï should be Akçay, Daridja is Darıca, Ilidja is Ilıca, Karadja-Bey is Karacabey, Kara-Mursel is Karamürsel, Kapou-Dagh is Kapıdağ, Katirli is Katırlı, Kefken is Kefken, Kourchouunlou might be Kurşunlu, Pacha-Liman is Paşalimanı (the first place that comes to my mind is Paşalimanı, Üsküdar), Papazlık might be Papazlık Adası (an island in Greece), Techemenli is Çimenli, Tirilia must be Tirilye (very close to where i live:) ) , Yalouvo is Yalova, Zongouldak is Zonguldak.


Here is what I hope to be a close-to-exhaustive list:

Vito Genovese 09.15, 13 Mart 2021 (UTC)

They must be port cities, so it's easier to detect the unknown ones :) NanahuatlEfendim? 09.18, 13 Mart 2021 (UTC)
Hence my confusion with Kumlu. :)
Vito Genovese 09.22, 13 Mart 2021 (UTC)
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it! Indeed those are port cities as the documents seem to be schedules for shipping goods. I went ahead and made relevant redirects in the English and French Wikipedias, citing these pages. I justified using the French redirects on ENwiki as French was an important language in the late Ottoman Empire. WhisperToMe (mesaj) 16.12, 13 Mart 2021 (UTC)

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In Servet-i Fünun I found Bagtché-Séraï https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/235/PFSIF9180328A120.jpg and I'm wondering which place this is.WhisperToMe (mesaj) 21.01, 13 Mart 2021 (UTC)

I think Bagtché-Séraï --> Bahçe Sarayı (Dolmabahçe Sarayı), because "La mosquee d'abbas" should be Abbas Ağa Camii. --anerka'ya söyleyin 21.45, 13 Mart 2021 (UTC)
WhisperToMe: It probably refers to the Abbas Ağa (alternate spelling: Abbasağa) Mosque in Bahçesaray, a district of the Van province.
Vito Genovese 21.46, 13 Mart 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks again! I created the relevant redirect at ENwiki! Now at https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/463/PFSIF9180613B002.jpg I found neighborhoods of what is now Istanbul: Aya-Sofia (I think Agha Sofia), Balat, Carabache, Coumbaradji, Prinhipo, Merdjan, Ouzoun-Tcharchi, Tchoukour, Tchirtchir, Yerebatan, Yedi-Koule, Yeni-Capou. Arnaoutkeuy I think is Armavutkoy, and Cadikeuy I think is Kadikoy. Also at https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/444/PFSIF9180606B003.jpg I found Carakeuy which I think is Karakoy. WhisperToMe (mesaj) 07.12, 15 Mart 2021 (UTC)
Please find my list here: --Başak (mesaj) 07.42, 15 Mart 2021 (UTC)
  • Aya-Sofia - Ayasofya
  • Balat -Balat
  • Carabache - Karabaş (On the map i see there is a Karabaş street at Karaköy. Maybe it's refering to that street?)
  • Coumbaradji - Kumbaracı (That must be the Kumbaracı Street at Beyoğlu better known as "Kumbaracı Yokuşu")
  • Prinhipo - ?
  • Merdjan -Mercan
  • Ouzoun-Tcharchi- Uzun Çarşı
  • Tchoukour - Çukur
  • Tchirtchir - Çırçır
  • Yerebatan - Yerebatan (it may refer to Basilica Cistern or the street in front of the Basilica Cistern)
  • Yedi-Koule -Yedikule
  • Yeni-Capou -Yenikapı
  • Arnaoutkeuy -Arnavutköy

Prinhipo - my suggesstion is Prinkipo --> Büyükada----anerka'ya söyleyin 10.01, 15 Mart 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks again! It's been very helpful! In I found possibly https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/706/PFSIF9180919A101.jpg Pounar-Bachi -> Pınarbaşı, Caïche-Dagh, and , and https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/705/PFSIF9180919A100.jpg Gueuk Sou WhisperToMe (mesaj) 18.55, 16 Mart 2021 (UTC)

I suspect https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/782/PFSIF9181024A177%20(1918-10-24).jpg Chaïfa is Haifa, now in Israel WhisperToMe (mesaj) 01.42, 17 Mart 2021 (UTC)

Hi @WhisperToMe

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Thanks again! I went ahead and did more redirects! From Credit Lyonnais documents I found:

WhisperToMe (mesaj) 22.44, 17 Mart 2021 (UTC) WhisperToMe (mesaj) 20.11, 17 Mart 2021 (UTC)

Hi @WhisperToMe That's my list for above words.--Başak (mesaj) 11.34, 19 Mart 2021 (UTC)
PFMNS9250228009.jpg
Duzdjé -> Düzce
Gunen -> Gönen
Platana ->
Artwiue ->
GuebzehA -> Gebze
Allatcham -> There are several places.
Must be this : Alaçam
Tcharchamba -> Çarşamba,
Hadjikeuy -> Hacıköy (don't know which one)
Sindirli -> ?
Ounie -> Ünye
Fatza -> Fatsa
Havza-Keupru -> Havza- Köprü (Maybe Vezirköprü?)
Tchadalja- > Çatalca
Bigha-> Biga
PFMNS9250228005.jpg
Bolavadine-> Bolvadin
Eski-Chéhir ->Eskişehir
Bey-Bazar -> Beypazarı
Tossia -> Tosya
Songourlou -> Sungurlu
Caba -> ?
Tcherkess -> Çerkeş
Castambol
PFMNS9250228008.jpg
Balikesser -> Balıkesir
Gunen -> Gönen
Guéïve ->?
PFMNS9250228006.jpg
Tache-Ova -> Taşova
PFMNS9250831006.jpg
Bolavadine -> Bolvadin


PFMNS9290831005.jpg
Cherkes -> Çerkeş (same as Tcherkess)
Tchoroum -> Çorum
Tchenguelli ->Çengelli ?
Deri/Déri (Karahissar) -> ? (Karahisar?)
Eski-Chéhir- > Eskişehir
Bolavadine -> Bolvadin
Bey-Bazar -> Beypazarı
Saframbol -> Safranbolu


PFMNS9261030005.jpg
Eski Chéhir -> Eskişehir
(i think same with/without dash)
Sivri-Hissar -> Sivrihisar
Songourlou -> Sungurlu
New-Chéhir -> Nevşehir
Tchoroum -> Çorum
Ilghin -> Ilgın
PFMNS9261030006.jpg
Bolavadine ->Bolvadin
Oghlak -> Oğlak (not a place name:
"Goats of all provinces")
Eski-Chéhir-Kutahia-> Eskişehir - Kütahya

Jelican9💬 19.54, 20 Mart 2021 (UTC)

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Selamlar Basak, @Flanoz. Bu etkinliğin başlama saati bana gece 2 civarına geliyor ama o sıralarda aktif olabiliyorum biraz. Yardımcı olma amacıyla bir süre bulunabilirim de nasıl yapacağımı bulamadım :D NanahuatlEfendim? 20.37, 9 Nisan 2021 (UTC)

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